September 13, 2023

A Day of Sunim, London(Sep 6, 2023)

I feel ovelry dependent on my husband, and it makes me feel afraid.”

2023.9.6 Casual Conversation with Ven. Pomnyun Sunim (6) London

Today Ven. Pomnyun Sunim is speaking in London, England, the last stop in Europe during his 2023 Overseas Dharma Talk Tour.

The event is taking place at Birkbeck, University of London. When Ven. Pomnyun Sunim arrived at the venue, he greeted the audience members and exchanged handshakes.

Before the Dharma talk, Sunim briefly met with Depesh, who had completed the first part of the Jungto Dharma School. He was born in England, living in London, and working as an engineer at an IT company.

Depesh said, “Thank you very much for your time.”

Sunim asked, “Are you married?”

“I live alone.”

“Whether you live alone or are married, you should be happy.”

“I think I need to practice even more since I am not married.”

“The second part of the Dharma School involves studying the life of the Buddha. However, it’s not just about studying the life of any individual, but the life of a person who lived a truly free and happy life. After studying the life of the Budhha, you should consider going to India and undertaking a pilgrimage following in the Buddha’s footsteps. In January of next year we are planning to organize a pilgrimage to sacred sites in India and Nepa with English interpretation, so please make sure to attend at least once.”

“Thank you. I’m really looking forward to it.”

The London Dharma Talk began at 6:30 pm. As Sunim appeared in front of the audience of around 190 people, there was a resounding cheer and loud applause.

The participants were mostly young, ranging from their 20s to their 40s. Nine individuals raised their hands to share their concerns about life with Sunim. As most of the questioners were young, the atmosphere was light and cheerful. Among them, one questioner, who had recently married an English man, expressed that she often feels dependent on her spouse and asked how to overcome the fear she feels.

I feel overly dependent on my husband, and it makes me feel afraid.

“I got married not too long ago. It’s the first marriage for both of us. My husband is British, and I find myself relying on him a lot. I’ve been in London for three years now, and while I’m changing jobs quite a bit, my husband went on a business trip to Saudi Arabia a week ago. Once, we were apart for two months and it made me feel incredibly lonely. During that time, I realized that I was becoming overly dependent on my husband. I had thoughts like, ‘I rely too much on my husband.’ Suddenly, I became afraid of the future.

I grew up as an only child, and my father passed away a year ago, leaving only my mother in Korea. If my mother were to pass away too, I would be left with only my husband. So, I started having unnecessary thoughts like, ‘What if something happens to my husband, and he passes away before me? What will I do?’ I found myself worrying about the death of someone who is perfectly healthy right now, which made me realize I better sort this out before it gets worse. With this strong tendency I have to rely on others, what kind of practice should I do?”

“The most important thing is that you must be without fear, whether you rely on your husband or not.

First, there’s no problem with relying on others. If you’ve been relying on your parents and they pass away, you can rely on your husband. If you’ve been relying on your husband and he passes away, you can rely on another man.”

“But I made a promise with my husband. I told him that after he passes away, I will become a monk.”

“Well, you don’t have to keep that promise after he’s gone.” (Laughter)

“Because of that promise, I pray while reciting the Diamond Sutra every day.”

“Just because you make vows while praying, it doesn’t mean everything will get fulfilled. Just as when you get married, you rely on your husband, when you become a monk, you will rely on the Buddha. So, you don’t have to worry until after your husband passes away. Needing to have someone to rely on means that you rely on this person, and when this person is gone, you will rely on another person.

If, after their husband dies, the wife cries sadly and says, ‘How am I supposed to go on without you here,’ it often indicates a higher likelihood that another man will come into her life soon. That’s because such individuals have a strong reliance on others and need to find something or someone to rely on. Even though they initially complain about how difficult it is to live in a world without their husband, they soon find solace in relying on another man. At first, it may seem a bit bewildering, but they eventually turn to another man for support.

For example, let’s say you were walking with a cane due to a leg injury, but then you lost your cane. Would you just limp around without any support? No, you need something to lean on. So, when you lean on something, you shouldn’t think of it as something negative. There’s no problem with someone with a hurt leg using a cane.

Secondly, if you continue to use a cane until you die, people might mock you and say you have a disability. If you want to avoid being seen that way, then you need to let go of the cane. To become a free, unhindered person, you must let go of the cane. You need to become someone who doesn’t rely on others so that you can be the master of your own life.”

“Could I really be like that?”

“To become a person who does not depend on others, you must not think about benefiting from others. In all matters, you shouldn’t think about what benefit you’ll get from them. Whether financially or emotionally, instead of hoping that the other person understands you, you should be the one to understand them. Rather than expecting the other person to love you, you should be the one to love them. Instead of waiting for the other person to help you, you should be the one to help them.”

“Yes, it’s true. I’ve lived my life always wanting understanding from others. Just like you said, Sunim, the ‘please love me’ illness.” 

“When we make a distinction between the Buddha and sentient beings, ‘Buddha’ refers to the giver, and ‘sentient beings’ refer to the receivers. Sentient beings ask the Buddha for everything, while the Buddha wants to give everything to sentient beings. The giver can be seen as the master, and the receiver can be seen as the servant. The same applies in Christianity. If all you do is ask God for everything, then you can be considered servants. God is the giver, so you can call Him the master.

You must live a life where you are the master of your own life. To achieve that, you need to let go of the desire to rely on someone or something. If you claim to renounce the world but still cling to reliance, it’s not true renunciation; it’s simply running away. True renunciation, as originally intended by the Buddha, means letting go of reliance. It means not relying on anyone. When someone renounces the world but still holds onto their reliance by now relying on the Buddha, all that’s happened is a change in the object of their reliance, like taking the Buddha as another husband.

Therefore, you must let go of reliance. I don’t ever ask any of you to give me something. But that doesn’t mean you have to always give even when you’re in a situation where you can’t. If you can give, then give, but when you can’t, at least don’t beg. Whether it’s money, emotions, understanding, or love, you should not beg from others. This is the path to living as your own master.

You should also not think that begging is inherently bad. There’s no need to think that not begging is the right path, while begging is something bad. If you don’t beg, you are the master of your own life, but it’s okay even if you do beg.

Usually, when people beg, they go from one person to another if that first person doesn’t give them what they want. They continue like this, begging from person to person. You can live like this. However, the issue in your case is that you want to beg while also wanting to be the master. That’s the contradiction. If you want to beg, you have to live as a beggar, and if you don’t like that, then you need to live as the master of your own life.

Indeed, most people go through life begging. If you need money to live, you can earn it yourself. Yet, people pray to God, ‘Please let me earn a lot of money.’ You can choose on your own who to spend the rest of your life with. Still, people pray to the Buddha, ‘Please help me meet a good person.’ To pass an exam, you can study hard. But, people pray to the Buddha, ‘Please let me pass the exam.’ Who typically prays for help when it comes to studying—an excellent student or a struggling one?”

“The student who is struggling prays.”

“When a struggling student prays and the Buddha grants their wish, it means that the Buddha has helped one struggling student pass while leaving out an excellent student. In other words, the Buddha becomes a broker for entrance exams. For your wish to come true, you’ve turned the Buddha into a mere broker. My point is that we engage in such contradictory behavior. It doesn’t mean religion is bad; it means that aspect of religion is misguided.”

“You’ve often talked about abandoning faith-based worship. But I think I still have some faith-based worship inside me.”

“I don’t say that you should abandon faith-based worship. It seems you have misunderstood me. If you want to have faith-based worship, you can. However, Jungto Society doesn’t practice faith-based worship.”

“I am a member of Jungto Society, but praying to the Buddha brings comfort to my heart. Is that also not allowed?”

“No, it is allowed. Jungto Society doesn’t engage in faith-based worship, but individuals within Jungto Society have their own freedom to do what they want. Religious freedom is protected by the constitution. But Jungto Society doesn’t practice faith-based worship. Instead, it teaches Buddhism as a practice and the path to becoming the master of one’s own life. So when I say Jungto Society doesn’t engage in faith-based worship, it means that we don’t  gather together and pray, ‘Please make this child pass the entrance exam.’ But it’s perfectly fine for an individual to pray on their own at a temple, ‘Please help my child pass the entrance exam.’ Because religious freedom is protected by the constitution, we shouldn’t deny someone’s rights based on their different religion, or their particular ideology or beliefs. Jungto Society doesn’t discriminate against anyone, whether they are from North Korea, are communist, attend church, or go to a temple.”

“Thank you. I understand what you’re saying.”

The questions continued. Everyone seemed to be paying attention to every word Sunim said. After nine people asked questions and one more question was asked on the spot, Sunim shared his closing comments.

“Just because you come to the UK and live here doesn’t necessarily mean your life will become happier. Can you plant a Korean green bean in the UK and expect it to grow into red beans?”


“Wherever you go, your karma remains the same. Happiness only comes when you are liberated from karma. Moving to a different place doesn’t automatically bring happiness. It might provide temporary relief, but over time, the original issues will resurface. So, don’t seek happiness from others. Understand your own karma and attain true freedom from it, and that’s when you can truly experience freedom.

How to overcome a sense of inferiority

When you understand this, you can actually be the ones to show people in the UK a higher level of spirituality and social values. You should learn the positive aspects from the British, but by sharing this understanding with them, you can no longer have a sense of inferiority due to racial or economic aspects.

‘You may have more money, but I am happier.’ 

‘You may be better-looking, but I am freer.’

It’s possible for you to live with such confidence. Living in the UK and constantly complaining about its negative aspects won’t benefit you in any way. In that case, you’d be better off returning to Korea immediately. I hope you can adopt a mindset of understanding others, even when they are different from you, while you embrace and draw on your own strengths.”

A loud round of applause and cheers echoed throughout the lecture hall for a long time.


After the talk, a book signing followed on stage. People lined up holding the books close to their hearts as if they were precious treasures. Sunim made sure to make eye contact with each person, and they also made sure to look at Sunim and say thank you. 

A woman who came with her British husband held out several books and said, “Sunim, my husband has cancer. We came to listen to your Dharma and receive good energy.”

“Congratulations, since you discovered the cancer.”

Her husband nodded and gave a wide smile.

People continued to buy books and get in line. It seemed like the book signing would never end.

Tomorrow, Sunim will depart from London Heathrow Airport and fly to Seattle, in the United States, on a 10-hour flight.